Look around you.
It doesn’t take long to witness unrest, disruption, and chaos.
We feel it in our bones.
We see it in our streets.
Violent outbursts and market crashes take their toll. It’s tempting to isolate and insulate. We often settle for cynical minds and calloused hearts as a means of coping with the chaos.
Thankfully, there’s a proven path to peace. Author Jeremie Kubicek serves as our tour guide on a path that yields practical solutions. His ground-breaking Peace Index equips you to identify your perceived level of peace in five critical areas: Purpose, People, Place, Personal Health, and Provision.
But don’t get comfortable or critical—your score is a moving target that changes every day, hour-by-hour, just like life. You need a solid strategy that keeps you grounded and growing, personally and professionally.
Episode 22 Show Notes
- 7:32 – Identify your Superpowers
- 10:03 – What is the Peace Index?
- 11:43 – Manage your emotions so other people don’t have to.
- 13:29 – Gallup’s global sadness study
- 16:16 – confronting the facade of peace
- 18:01 – how can you truly know your people as a leader
- 22:00 – The Peace Index + Mental Health
- 35:43 – The New Generation Leader question: Jeremie answers, “What do you wish you had learned earlier in your career?“
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Episode 22 – Full Transcript
Jeremie, welcome to the show, excited to have you. It’s been a big busy week in your life in your world and I’m excited to get to celebrate that with you here a little bit more about the journey you’ve been on. But how’s how’s your week getting started, Aaron, always good to be with you by the way. Really good. I’m really tired but I’m really good.
It’s a good tired, you know, I got to uh speak a lot of different places. I’m touring and kicking that off. There’s just a lot of fun activity, but the fun part is the message of the peace index is really resonating Well and that always makes it more fun. That’s great. That’s great. So you were on the road. I saw this weekend with the Oklahoma football team, an unfortunate results from that game. How how was the so the team in, in reaction to that? So for those who don’t know, I have the privilege of doing different things.
So I have a business that’s you know, giant that, that we serve coaches and consultants like Aaron uh do great things around the world and really unlock people. I also do the same with sports and collegiate teams with Kevin says, oh and then I have another project with my son, uh which we help dad’s with 13 to 18 year old. So I have a diverse work and my people are like all my friends like what are you doing on the field, what are you, why are you with the team?
And I’m like, well I’m the team mental advisor and it’s like literally I’m helping them with their, their performance, but their mental performance, I’m helping set the theme each week. I’m helping coach coaches, I’m helping coaches communicate more effectively, but we’re just building and um so long answer, but here’s what I tell you about what I’ve learned from uh three wins and two losses when, when our fan base is like Alabama or you don’t lose that Oklahoma, it’s just the way it is, but here’s what I tell you, the coach coach venables who came from Clemson, who was that Oh you before, He is a Pioneer Guardian.
He is resolute, he is resolved. He is like, I got, it will fix, it will uh, it’s on me, I’ll take, you know blame, he doesn’t blame people, he doesn’t, and then being in a locker room, like uh most people have always probably wanted to know what are the halftime speech is really like, what are the end of game speeches? What’s that bus ride home? Like especially when you lose and it is everything you probably thought of like losing is horrible. No one wants to lose, No one likes just that.
Just the feeling is super not fun, but the beauty of it is watching um actually, uh, this leader lead these guys because he basically says, look, I lead the person before I lead the player and he’s helping liberate them and he’s bringing high support and high challenge and you know, I sent him a little note because he likes quotes and I sent him to ted lasso quote of, we don’t push the panic button or the snooze button and it’s like we’re not going to freak out and we’re not gonna rest, it’s just get back to work and and we’re gonna build so that’s the perspective from the team and from the coaches, which I admire a lot.
It is not fun, I can tell you that and we’re going down to texas this next week, so that will be even more um, interesting. Yeah, another big big road trip. I mean, it’s it’s great to hear the stories behind the stories. I always love hearing what, you know, marty smith and and some of those folks who go behind the scenes, the story behind what’s what you see on the field. Um there was a Clemson player, they did a expose on game day, saturday morning about him and played on the field and um coach Sweeney was investing in him as a person while his sister was battling brain cancer.
And it’s just so encouraging to see and hear the human side to all of that. And so as a segue, you’ve kind of given an introduction of yourself, who you are, what you do and I want to add on top of that for for people who haven’t heard, you don’t know, you don’t know what you’re all about. I would just say that you are the kind of person who everything you just said about your interaction with the football team. Writing notes to coach venables, you are exactly who you show up to be, who you appear to be is who you are behind the scenes with your intentionality and conversation, whether it’s over a meal or just a passing conversation, you’re you’re intentional, you’re one of those leaders who is walking through each step every day, every conversation, every interaction to make sure that you’re truly calling people up to their greatest potential investing in people and one of the times I go back to this all the time.
I don’t know if you remember this, but we had a monday conversation scheduled to talk about something business related and you asked, how are you? And I said, well, let me give you this snapshot story which took us on a complete detour, but that was exactly precisely what I needed. Um it wasn’t about moving you forward, it was just you serving in that conversation. Um we didn’t talk about the business plan that we were planning on talking about that day, but that’s for those of you listening.
That is who Jeremie is, day in day out, what he’s doing, how he guides and leads and and so it’s great to hear the stories behind the scenes and I don’t want those of you listening to know that Jeremie is truly what what you’re hearing right now. Well man, I appreciate that. You know, it’s it’s it’s really about for me, it’s helping people know their identity and I’m an encourager, that’s my superpower, those are the gifts that I’ve been given. And so I use that encouragement to go, do you know who you really are?
And if you’re listening here today, you’re like, okay, what’s your purpose and what’s your identity um to know and understand who you really are and then understand the superpowers you have and the gift mix that you have when that happens, that begins to help people become secure and confident and secure and confident people tend to be humble, it’s the over secure and the overconfident people who are the most insecure. So for those listening, it’s the idea of, do you know how God made you, do you know what you’re good at?
Do you know what your personality is? Why aren’t you not really digging in to understand that? I can’t comprehend it because it’s such a competitive advantage and most people just kind of struck that stuff off. Oh well. And it’s really, no, it’s really important. That’s why we built the five Voices for, we built the five voices to help people know who they really are. And then once you play that out, then you can get activated into what you were designed to do and that’s where purpose really takes off because you’re like, oh, I am in my sweet spot.
I am doing the work that I was designed to do. I feel alive when I’m doing it. And for some of you hearing me right now, you might go, that’s not me at all. Well that’s an indicator. Maybe that you need to go all the way back to identity and then into your superpowers again, dust those off and then revisit your purpose. Um, so that’s what I like to do. I just like to encourage people and um, so I have a business that enables me to do that.
That’s fantastic. Well, my wife and I just used five voices last week with a couple in premarital counseling, uh they’re getting married next year reached out to us? We’ve known the the wife to be since she was in middle school. So it’s exciting to re engage them and help them with with the tools that you’ve helped develop and design and and share to be able to use those. So if you don’t know your voice and your listening will drop a link to the five voices assessment in the show notes And you can start on that journey.
But Jeremie today, the hot topic of the week, the topic of the hour, the peace index. Uh the book is out today as you’re listening. And I think Jeremie this is a really timely book going back to 2020. You you wrote about the waves of the tsunami that we were experiencing. Wave after wave after wave. So how did those waves set you up for embarking on this project right now? Yeah. Well it was really interesting is we’ve used the peace index for eight years. You know, we’ve used it in almost every coaching conversation.
Um We use it constantly. And the peace index is an assessment to help you figure out where you’re not at peace and why you’re not at peace. And that’s really important because if you can identify it, you can begin to get specific and control the controllable and actually find peace, manage peace because you know what the issues are. So um what happened was my publisher Wiley came to me in April April the 26 And they said can you write that, you know that peace thing you do, can you write it in 30 days?
And I’m like, oh my goodness what? Yeah, you know, so I took the weekend, I thought about it, prayed about it, talked to my wife, I’m like um you know, I’m just busy already and to go can I write it in 30 days? So I wrote it in 18 days and got it back to them um and just killed it. Um and because it was in me it’s like, you know, it’s we know it so well, so I wrote it uh edited the summer, you know, it took a couple of months of editing back and forth in that process and then it comes out on october 4th, so how cool is that right to go?
Well, what what’s really neat about it was my publisher basically saying we really think this is what the world needs and you know, the idea that there is no world peace until each of us have inner peace and to get to the place where you can actually have an assessment or the peace index. What it does is it helps you manage your emotions so others don’t have to manage your your emotions and the idea of self awareness and the idea of self assessing and realizing where you’re off and having a peace plan and um so it’s super super exciting.
I mean I really think this book more than any is going to have a personal connectivity, personal connections and transformation and the people around the world. So I’m excited. It is really exciting. It’s, it’s a tool I’ve used. Will you walk us through the key five components of the peace index? Yeah, absolutely. So what we have is you basically have um you’ve got purpose, we’ve got people place personal health and provision and the idea is that each one of those has a percentage to them. And if you think about when you walk into a copy shop or you walk into office or a home, each person has a number over their head and that number is their level of peace at that moment and it can go up and down like a Wall Street Journal uh you know, stock ticker, it just goes up and down and up and down because of other people’s lack of peace can affect our levels of peace and or chaos in the world with the news comes out, you know, whatever time with something in Russia or some inflation issue or some whatever.
So people are being affected all day long by global chaos and local issues And when you put those together, the peace index is really low, in fact it’s the lowest um by Gallup has says the sadness level of sadness is the highest, highest it’s ever been, it’s at 28%. So if you think about that, there’s actually a sadness index and if you think about that, then the pieces off with most people. So what you do is you take the assessment one through 100 and we’ll give you a link here and you can actually take the assessment.
It goes deeper than just a quick blink. But by doing that, you’re understanding um huh. My place is really off. I’ve never thought about it. Okay, well why is it off? Well um is it the roommate that you’re with or is it a situation of the neighbor or it’s too small or whatever it is. Now what can you control? Well, I can’t afford to buy a new house. Okay. Uh can you do string lights in your backyard? Can you do some D. I. Y. Projects? Yeah, probably good. Okay.
Well let’s remodel and reset and so it’s those types and that’s a small example. But when you start getting into purpose or you start getting into people, it gets really real. And you realize I’ve been letting someone else’s negativity rob me and I’ve got to put up boundaries there or my provisions I’ve been wanting. But I actually my needs are being met but I’m discontent because I’m wanting all this stuff that I really don’t need and it just gives you an opportunity to reset your piece level and maybe cause it to go to higher levels and stay there, it’s a really helpful framework and, and one of the ways that we always talk about it is it allows us to take the conversation about how are you to a deeper level here in Virginia.
The mid atlantic, farther down into the south were really nice. We’re always putting a good face forward. But I actually was working with a team a couple months ago from Minnesota, and one of the guys on the team said, yeah, you know, we’ve got this thing called Minnesota nice and everybody’s just really nice. And I’m working with another one of our guides, jim lee with a team in El Salvador right now, that’s another culture. That’s nice. And so we put up this nice front and we don’t really get to what’s really below the surface, what’s really bubbling with our piece.
So how have you seen leaders and teams really level up their piece based on diving into each of these five factors? Yeah. So in in that, um, what happens is those who have a facade or maybe everything is nice. You go okay, which one’s your lowest? And it’s very obvious one of them is going to be the lowest. So the other day I did it with a guy and his lowest was an 82 which was pretty high, you know, because most people would be in the sixties or fifties for their lowest and it was, I can’t remember if it was people replaced.
But um, I think it was placed, it was 82. But as I dug in and started asking questions about it and what he could control. He really realized it was a lot lower. And so we, we actually went there. We, we got to a deeper level and I started working with him on the change equation and some ideas of how he can handle the dissatisfaction in his life. So where, whether wherever you’re at, it’s just the peace index is a lot better of a system than how are you?
Because if I ask Aaron, how are you man? Yeah, Yeah, I’m okay. Good. I’m good. It’s monday. Yeah. And the start of the week I’m, I’m cruising. I’m ready to go then. What are you gonna say to me? Hey Jeremie, how are you? Yeah, fine. Yeah. Good. Right. So now if I go, where’s your peace index? Where you at? We have a common objective language. And if I’m a boss or employer or a team leader, I want to know where my people are. Hey, what’s going on.
Alright guys, let’s do the team at, let’s do the peace index for our team. And then we, we take it and we realize, oh my goodness, I didn’t know that about Sandra or what, what have you and it’s not going into counseling and it passes the HR issues because we’re generalizing. But it gives you them an ability. It gives me as a leader, the chance to really know my people and they believe that I’m for them because I’m asking them questions that are deeper than just, hey, what’s up?
You’re good and they know that I’m for them and maybe just, maybe I might be able to help them with an issue which makes you more of a liberating leader where people want to work for you and not have to work for you. So you help them and then you increase your influence. Maybe that forces them to become more engaged versus compliant. So that’s, that’s how you can use the peace index in your work. And one of my favorite stories that I’ve used a lot about why this is so important comes from Herb Kelleher at southwest He and his wife, he tells the story they were on a tour visiting one of their terminals and one of their a plus top employees was struggling.
She was normally the smiling face greeting every customer and for weeks on end she just wasn’t herself. And he knew enough to know that something was off. And so he started asking around and come to find out it was a personal family health issue that had financial impact on her. And she was wondering how am I possibly gonna pay this bill and all of that was affecting how she came to work. And so for leaders and even coworkers to truly understand what our people bringing with them to work is so important for all of us to help unlock the, the best, truly the best of each other.
That’s it. Yeah. So identifying piece identifying lack of peace, calling people up, encouraging them, giving them what they need. Um, you know, those are all things that will endure people to you and it’s not why you’re doing it. It’s just the, it’s the benefit of being intentional for sure. So Jeremie in the summer of 2020, I think it was. Andrew Robinson put this out to our guide community and he said, Hey, I’ve got a recommendation start using the peace index more intentionally. And he told a story of working with one of his clients and you know, the weight of the early part of the pandemic at that point had, had weighed on some people and some key relationships.
And so I, I heeded his advice. I started using it um and started using it every time I spoke to nurses and then I started using it every time I spoke to students, um, I used it in my undergrad class um, in the back in the spring. And I had a student on the end of that exercise, get up and walk out in tears. And I thought, wow, what, what’s going on? And I thought he was very frustrated, didn’t know what his perspective was, but come to find out.
I followed up with him that evening and he said, I was just overcome with emotion. I’ve always felt like I was alone. But you asked us the question and then asked us to share the answer with somebody around us. And for the first time I realized I wasn’t alone. And so seeing all of those conversations and threads with students with nurses who have been going through some really challenging seasons, you know, mental health is becoming an important conversation in a lot of places. How do you see the intersection of building up somebody’s mental health, strengthening their mental health?
How can leaders use the peace index to meet those needs? Yeah. So let me go general. Then I go specific. Generally the peace index is perfect because it uh it gives you the ability to go deeper and especially if you go into the book, um, and look at some of the assessments that are inside of it around people, um, and around personal health um concepts for provisions so forth. But what’s interesting is by giving the language to the leaders to know what questions to ask. It makes everyone more comfortable and then it can give just some, you know, um you can truly walk a mile in someone else’s shoes when you know, oh, it’s a health issue. Okay.
Now if I if I’m empathetic to that and I know what’s going on, I’m gonna view that person differently. They’re not gonna feel my judgment because they’re not doing as good of a job. They’re going to feel my empathy, sympathy or help support in helping solve an issue. So that alone, like I said before brings influence, it increases influence likability, uh your reputation, there’s benefits to it, but it also helps them when it comes to mental health. Um I am a big believer on healthy getting healthy.
Sometimes there’s stigma around, there’s stigma around the idea of mental health and sometimes the mental health piece. Um I’m not a clinical psychologist, so I’m not trying to convey certain things. So I generally give tools now, a lot of our psychologists out there love the Peace Index. They use it constantly because it works. But there’s sometimes this, what I am concerned of is there’s a global rise and sadness, there’s a lot more counseling, but there’s a lot more prescription of medication to solve it and that’s a concern of mine.
Um and you’re seeing it’s the highest level of antidepressants were prescribed. So, in our history, like, well that’s not a good sign. So if mental health equals antidepressant drugs as the solution, and what I’m wanting to do is I’m wanting to help people with the peace index. Actually identify what’s really going on and what can you do about it? And there might be a spiritual solution, There could be a mental solution, There might be a physical solution. It’s literally just exercise alone and the combination of those things mental spiritual and physical could help someone.
It could be a peace issue with one person and in Chapter eight of the book, I give a whole system of how to keep the peace with people and how to how to develop a peace plan for yourself. So it’s a system for self awareness and dealing with conflict and so forth. So I guess my point is is that I think the peace index helps with mental health but I think it helps in a pure way. And I’m concerned with the use of the language of mentally mental health where someone might go, yeah I’ve kind of got some mental health stuff and then they go and take medicine and I’ve seen it now play out several times.
My barber as an example, I was with this guy for a long time. He’s great personality. I’ve gone to him the last few times and he is not the same guy and I’m like what’s going on? Because well I’ve just been I finally realized I might have adult A. D. H. D. At 48 years old and I just I’m they’ve got me on medication now and I’m like he was like I think I was just struggling with mental health issues and I’m like well maybe or maybe not but now his personality is being, he’s changing and it might end up losing me as a customer from.
So it’s it’s just an interesting slippery slope of I’m for mental health for sure. Being healthier but how we do it is important. Right, Right. Yeah, there is an intentionality and uh, a way to go about it. And I think it is an incredible tool. One of the things I love going back to um are no yourself to lead yourself tool, the core process, all of these tools are centered around and you’ve said this about how to improve a piece, index number is what’s your actionable plan and then having some accountability to actually see that come to completion.
And, and it’s great to see, not only, you know, we can all sit back and say, yeah, well this is off and I should do this instead, but if we just armchair quarterback like that and we don’t actually dive in and and talk to somebody else, have a conversation and a dialogue and commit to some action, then then it’s kind of an empty solution. And so it is, it’s encouraging to me to continue to watch and and press people on all right, what’s your action plan related to this?
And then to see um, the improvement happened. You know, I had one coaching client who told me about the close quarters, his family with growing kids was in tight confines at their house. They didn’t even have space to hang up string lights and he had a long commute to work, once they solved that issue, he had more elbow space, uh, you know, around the house, everybody had a little more breathing room and it it changed everybody’s probably the very start to their day. And so it is really interesting to see all of these things.
So in that case, even just having the language, it now becomes objective. We do it on my, our date nights, my wife and I hey, where yeah, I do with my kids and in their twenties, where’s your pizza index guys? I did it yesterday on the couch with my daughter, 24 years old. She’s like, yeah, you know, it was, I wouldn’t tell out loud which one it was, but there was one circle that was really an issue and it enabled her to really go, Huh? Yeah, it really is that.
And then later she’s like, hey, I love you dad. That was so helpful that chat. Well the chat was me just asking the peace index. So it was just a great tool and then listening and then seeing if she wanted advice or not on a certain situation and she did. So, um, I think that’s what, what I like to do the most, I’d like to give tools to people, uh, to help them know what to do and have do it so that they can experience better conversations, deeper relationship and get aligned with people and when you do life is better, um, teams are more effective things work the way they’re supposed to.
Yeah, absolutely. And I like what you said that conversation better conversations, you know, so many of us struggle, What do I say in this situation, where should I go? What should I do? And that’s great evidence of a tool being a jump start. Um, you know, one of the stories that made headlines here in the mid atlantic. Um, you know, I talked a lot about being a softball coach. Um, it was a big subject for sports fans. Um, that Lauren Burnett, the JMU softball catcher, took her own life in the middle of the softball season, a week after being being named player of the week in the conference and a year removed from being in the college World Series.
Um, so going all the way back to where we started, how are you seeing peace index playing out with college students in general and bolts coming of age and the athletes and teams you’re working with. Yeah. So if you are a college student and this is for anyone listening. But let’s just say specifically to a college student. One of the things I do, I speak in chapter eight about this process of keeping peace inside yourself and I don’t know her situation. I won’t even attempt to, but let’s just say for anyone listening every morning I wake up and I call myself up, I went on a walk this morning.
I had a little devotional. I listened to some things, but then I reminded myself who I am Jeremie, your freedom fighter. You’re a Liberator. You’re you’re an influencer and I started sharing with me and reminding myself what my identity is, what my superpowers on and then are at 5 30 every night, which I’ll do it here in a few hours. I um, I look at the my watch says examine and I looked back through my day and go, what was I really thankful for? I had just had this call from a leader at Lockheed martin that made some of the coolest comments about how our content has helped him personally.
Like I’m grateful for that call. I’m grateful for this time with Aaron, I’m grateful for X, y and Z. So being grateful is a start for peace um, to really be able to dwell. And then I look at my day and I go, where was I off today? What needs some, what needs some work? Well this relationship, why did so and so say it that way. Well is it them or me? And I usually look at me first, but I look at me in a spirit of liberation, not shame and um there’s a lot of freedom there.
And so I then go, yeah, that was off because I was kinda was kind of wanting them to do something. They didn’t do it, but really I didn’t really need it, I’m good, you know, and I get to at peace within myself. So my evenings are better and then I look at my schedule the next day and I get prepared for it. And for me personally, I’ll pray over that day and get ready for it. So my point is is that I’m bringing peace into my life every single day.
And then as I go to bed before I go to sleep, I pick a theme that I want to remember in the morning and a theme that I’ve had lately in the last three nights, I’ve had expect Joy, expect joy, expect joy, that’s the theme. So when I wake up in the morning, the first thing I think of expect joy. So I’ve set myself up the night before I planted a seed. So in the morning I think about things a little differently. I think we have to manage our emotions.
I think we have to um, manage our levels of peace um before we can master them, we have to manage them. And I think that’s what it is, like I mentioned before the peace index helps you manage your emotions so that others don’t have to manage your emotions. And whether it’s a piece a people issue or a purpose issue or a place or personal health or a provision issue once you know where and why, then you can do something about it. And true maturity is the ability to develop inner peace when there is no external peace.
And for those who really walk in peace, they have like um iron legs, they can walk against the negative because there’s power in peace. And when you understand the power that comes with peace, then you’ll want to increase it as much as possible. That’s, that’s such a great thought. And as you’re talking, I’m, I’m going in my mind to the softball field and the tension I carry as a pioneer with my weapon of rightness and righteousness with the calls the umpires are making and wanting to stand up for my team, but knowing, hey, I need to liberate the umpires and my players and the coaches and help our players liberate each other.
Um, and I think that is a great reminder, uh, that this conversation about peace is something that at the right age and at the right stage, any player, any student, any leader or person can, can leverage this tool to truly find peace not only for themselves, but to multiply the peace and hand that out. So so Jeremie for people who are curious about the peace index, they want to learn more. What’s the best next steps. Um, for discovering more about the peace index. Yeah. So if you want to take the Peace Index assessment, we have it for free.
It’s at the peace index book dot com. V peace index book dot com. That is such a great place to start and you can see really where you’re off and while you’re, you’re off. If you want to go deeper. The book obviously is available on amazon, um, there’s a link there actually, um at the peace index book dot com if you wanted to look there and if you want to go deeper, there’s a course that’s available, kind of a master class of how to do this well.
And I go into like, actually, how do you build a different uh a need budget versus a want budget. And how do you actually deal with people and assess people and they can’t ever see it by the way. But you’re assessing where they are with you and what about your place? And you take a place assessment. So I’ve just done a lot of work and and really mind that out deeper for those who want to experience it. That’s great. Well, we’ll drop links to all of those resources in the show notes at New Generation Leader dot com slash 22 for episode 22.
And we’ll give you a chance to connect with all of those resources. Alright, Jeremie, last question. It’s our key New Generation Leader question. What have you learned in your career that you wish you had learned in your twenties? Yeah, I would say um I wish that I had learned how to manage my emotions um at an earlier age, if I had known my wiring and known my weapon um then I would have made less blunders. I look back at some of the vigor and some of the things that I was so passionate for, you know, like I was wrong or I was half right or it was all pride.
So the faster you can you can get through the pride years into the humility years the better. And it really starts with knowing who you are and why sometimes you have tendencies to do certain things. That’s fantastic. Well, Jeremie thanks so much for your time, not only today but your investment in creating these tools, these resources to unlock the true potential of leaders. Um I look forward not only to future conversations but continuing to bring these tools to life in this podcast and throughout our work. So thanks for coming on the show today.
You’ve got it appreciate you, Aaron. Thanks mate, cheers.